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Old 11-06-2019, 02:57 AM   #51
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Paul, itís obvious you havenít bothered to keep up with current technology with regards to cameras. High quality images can be had for very little money. Youíve shown us here that you donít get 4K and why people are and should be shooting it. Youíve shown us that you donít have the slightest clue what the current crop of cameras is capable of, nor do you have the slightest idea of what would be involved in processing any of the footage from these cameras. You donít understand the capabilities of the codecs.

No one is arguing that lighting or composition isnít important. But if youíre shooting that on HD cameras in a world clients and projects demand 4K and up, none of that matters. Youíre not going to get hired. I have said nothing more than this and will continue to do so.

Youíre brain Is just going to mush and you wonít ever get it. I will keep this going with the hope that the OP gets some eyes on his thread and can get some bites on his offer.
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To see 4 K effect with 50" TV you need to sit about 4ft from the screen. Your cat or dog or a toddler may be that close. For 1080p about 7 feet away ( as most of us sit). Therefore for most, 4 K is a gimick to sell more TVs and cameras. In other words how many of us have 100+ inch TV to view 4K from the normal couch 7 feet away.

but hey who cares about old technology... Look at 8K, you need to be 2 feet away with 65 " screen..

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To see 4 K effect with 50" TV you need to sit about 4ft from the screen. Your cat or dog or a toddler may be that close. For 1080p about 7 feet away ( as most of us sit). Therefore for most, 4 K is a gimick to sell more TVs and cameras. In other words how many of us have 100+ inch TV to view 4K from the normal couch 7 feet away.

but hey who cares about old technology... Look at 8K, you need to be 2 feet away with 65 " screen..

Sounds like you donít get it, much like Paul doesnít get it. People arenít shooting 4K and higher to display in 4K and higher. Theyíre shooting these resolutions because of what youíre able to do with the footage in post.

Pretty sad to see folks who create and market content who lack the ability to understand the simple basics for content creation.
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Sounds like you donít get it, much like Paul doesnít get it. People arenít shooting 4K and higher to display in 4K and higher. Theyíre shooting these resolutions because of what youíre able to do with the footage in post.

Pretty sad to see folks who create and market content who lack the ability to understand the simple basics for content creation.
Paul has lost the plot. There was a time when he was current and his work was good. But now he is a ranting old man. This thread is the worst I have ever seen him. Here is some advice for Paul....

"get out of the new world if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changin"......Robert Zimmerman
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"get out of the new world if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changin"......Robert Zimmerman
But Paul is gonna say, "that Zimmerman guy ain't no Bob Dylan! Besides, the Times don't change; they've been the Times Of London for years."

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Why was I so stupid to suggest the subject matter, the way it's shot, lighting, audio, lens, camera, etc are more important. Thank you all you knowledgeable guys for showing me the errors of my ways.

Ditch what I said and just buy a cheap amateur 4K camera because that will suffice.
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Why was I so stupid to suggest the subject matter, the way it's shot, lighting, audio, lens, camera, etc are more important. Thank you all you knowledgeable guys for showing me the errors of my ways.

Ditch what I said and just buy a cheap amateur 4K camera because that will suffice.
Again, no one said that those things arenít important. Not one person. But if youíre gear isnít current and up to the standards clients are demanding, none of those matter. Itís as simple as that. You just refuse to ever admit you are wrong or donít have the slightest clue what youíre talking about. Itís obvious to all of us, except for you. Itís sad Paul.

Also...the cost of the camera means nothing at this point. My $1300 camera produces images that are indistinguishable from the images that come from the camera that cost us $30000. Guess which one has also made us the most money in the past year? The $1300 one we now own 3 of. The 6k model they released for $2500 is even better. Thatís my current favorite camera. You should check them out. Theyíre far from ďcheap camerasĒ. They will outperform anything youíve ever got video on.
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Thank you candyflip for putting me right, I've always mistakenly thought the content of the product, the model, way it was shot, director, lighting, audio, pro lens and camera, etc Mattered before getting cheap camera that shoots 4K because the only thing customers want is 4K.

I see why you're reluctant to show samples making me feel small about my opinion.
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You can get a job at McDonaldís and check some of my work out. Itís used globally in training materials.

If you think Iím going to jeopardize a 7 figure contract with one of my companyís most recognizable clients, youíve got another thing coming.

For the 100th time, because you senile brain has gone to shit...nothing is important if people arenít hiring you because you arenít delivering footage to them at the current minimum standards. 4K is the minimum, whether it looks good or looks like shit. Thatís where we are at. That is why clients demand. For a host of reasons why, too. In 2019, if youíre not shooting 4K...youíre not getting hired.

Refuse to accept this, get left behind. Something you seem to know all about, right? Getting left behind?
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Sounds like you donít get it, much like Paul doesnít get it. People arenít shooting 4K and higher to display in 4K and higher. Theyíre shooting these resolutions because of what youíre able to do with the footage in post.

Pretty sad to see folks who create and market content who lack the ability to understand the simple basics for content creation.
It seems that you are sucking and blowing at the same time The OP never talked about any post. Just shooting and DELIVERING !!! 4 K videos. So go figure ? On the other hand, you do NOT need to be an expert to understand that "higher the resolution, more possibilities to fix production errors or create better SGI effects". Now tell me what porn producer worries about cables in the images, photograpehr's flashes or other like issues. Now, when somebody can figure out how the romove the full " Bimbo look" in the post ( fish lips, botox cheeks and ass, ugly tattoos, deformed plastic boobs, brooms instead of eyebrows etc...), I will switch to 16 K immediately. Failing that, you are just full of hot air and being insulting to all ....
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Again, no one said that those things arenít important. Not one person. But if youíre gear isnít current and up to the standards clients are demanding, none of those matter. Itís as simple as that. You just refuse to ever admit you are wrong or donít have the slightest clue what youíre talking about. Itís obvious to all of us, except for you. Itís sad Paul.

Also...the cost of the camera means nothing at this point. My $1300 camera produces images that are indistinguishable from the images that come from the camera that cost us $30000. Guess which one has also made us the most money in the past year? The $1300 one we now own 3 of. The 6k model they released for $2500 is even better. Thatís my current favorite camera. You should check them out. Theyíre far from ďcheap camerasĒ. They will outperform anything youíve ever got video on.
Oh my God, you better advise these producers who shot recently with really old cameras and 35 mm film ..grain an all. They must be a outdated as Paul...





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But Paul is gonna say, "that Zimmerman guy ain't no Bob Dylan! Besides, the Times don't change; they've been the Times Of London for years."

We shoot with old Redcams capable of shooting 4 K yet we so far never used the 4 K. We shoot in 2K.
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Yet I'm the one who's small team has multiple 7 figure contracts with companies like Facebook, McDonald's and Merck...just to name a few. $4 million this year alone, all shot on "cheap" cameras as Paul puts it.

I don't believe for a second you've even touched a RED camera (which everyone is aware are just garbage off the shelf components in a pretty shell) based on your ridiculous comments above. Very few people are shooting higher resolutions to deliver. It doesn't seem that either you or Paul understands this. Unless you're a YouTuber, most are delivering still in HD. That doesn't make shooting in higher resolutions a waste of resources. Anyone who's had their hands a RED knows why you'd shoot at such large resolutions and they wouldn't spend the money and not put the camera to full use. They also wouldn't make stupid comparisons like you're attempting to do
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I shoot in 4k and deliver in 2k. I also shoot in 6k and deliver in about 6 different sizes. In 2019, why is this even a discussion?

Here is some 6k
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It seems that you are sucking and blowing at the same time The OP never talked about any post. Just shooting and DELIVERING !!! 4 K videos. So go figure ? On the other hand, you do NOT need to be an expert to understand that "higher the resolution, more possibilities to fix production errors or create better SGI effects". Now tell me what porn producer worries about cables in the images, photograpehr's flashes or other like issues. Now, when somebody can figure out how the romove the full " Bimbo look" in the post ( fish lips, botox cheeks and ass, ugly tattoos, deformed plastic boobs, brooms instead of eyebrows etc...), I will switch to 16 K immediately. Failing that, you are just full of hot air and being insulting to all ....
The camera is less important than the overall quality of the content. That's not saying the camera doesn't matter, it's not saying don't buy a 4K camera. I am saying don't buy cheap amateur cameras with cheap amateur lenses which CF is saying. Maybe that's all he can afford.
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Yet I'm the one who's small team has multiple 7 figure contracts with companies like Facebook, McDonald's and Merck...just to name a few. $4 million this year alone, all shot on "cheap" cameras as Paul puts it.

I don't believe for a second you've even touched a RED camera (which everyone is aware are just garbage off the shelf components in a pretty shell) based on your ridiculous comments above. Very few people are shooting higher resolutions to deliver. It doesn't seem that either you or Paul understands this. Unless you're a YouTuber, most are delivering still in HD. That doesn't make shooting in higher resolutions a waste of resources. Anyone who's had their hands a RED knows why you'd shoot at such large resolutions and they wouldn't spend the money and not put the camera to full use. They also wouldn't make stupid comparisons like you're attempting to do
You have failed to show you've shot a porn video, no site, no samples, no customers showing what you delivered.

I never said "shooting in higher resolutions a waste of resources." I said it was secondary, which means it's not the most important thing. You disagree and think it is the most important. Let your customers decide.

If you shot for a corporate clients the last place you would be posting is on a porn board called Go Fuck Yourself, the slimmest chance of someone from that corporation reading this and knowing who posts it exposes your lies. Also corporate clients put the quality of work way above the resolution of the camera. Not saying it's not important, just not as important as you insist.
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I shoot in 4k and deliver in 2k. I also shoot in 6k and deliver in about 6 different sizes. In 2019, why is this even a discussion?

Here is some 6k
Exactly. Why are people even discussing the importance of the product content over the camera quality is pointless. No surfer ever became a member to get a video in 4k. Your site proves what's important. Models, niche, direction, lighting, way it's shot, camera work, audio, etc.

The same as in mainstream movies, no one ever gave an award just because of the camera it was shot on. Candyflip is arguing the camera is the most important.

Back in the day I shot on Beta Cam, edited Beta to Beta then duplicated onto VHS. Doing what you're doing is sensible and simple. Is it as important and hard as getting the product right? NO.
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The camera is less important than the overall quality of the content. That's not saying the camera doesn't matter, it's not saying don't buy a 4K camera. I am saying don't buy cheap amateur cameras with cheap amateur lenses which CF is saying. Maybe that's all he can afford.
i'm surely no fan of Candyflip but he's right when he says that the Blackmagic cameras blow everything out of the water you ever laid your hands on.

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You know what's even more important than the camera or the lighting or the model these days? Mone, marketing and contacts. You can have the best content in the world, but without a big budget, the right marketing and the right contacts you won't get any sales.
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Yet I'm the one who's small team has multiple 7 figure contracts with companies like Facebook, McDonald's and Merck...just to name a few. $4 million this year alone, all shot on "cheap" cameras as Paul puts it.

I don't believe for a second you've even touched a RED camera (which everyone is aware are just garbage off the shelf components in a pretty shell) based on your ridiculous comments above. Very few people are shooting higher resolutions to deliver. It doesn't seem that either you or Paul understands this. Unless you're a YouTuber, most are delivering still in HD. That doesn't make shooting in higher resolutions a waste of resources. Anyone who's had their hands a RED knows why you'd shoot at such large resolutions and they wouldn't spend the money and not put the camera to full use. They also wouldn't make stupid comparisons like you're attempting to do

You are correct, I have never touched our Red cams, or our lights, or never pushed our PeeWee dolly. I have also never held a boom or recorded sound.....I can go on what else I have never done.. I am a producer, I find money to shoot the shit ( adult and mainstream) and make sure it gets finished on time and budget. And after I pay the banks or investors I own the shit...and yes sometime I direct the shit...I am NOT " one man band" working for somebody like you, I work for myself. I have a crew when I shoot, about 25 people for the adult stuff and up to a 100 for the mainstream.

So proudly I state that the 4K info I have posted I got from my "post geeks" and NO, even with all that jazz I do not gross 4 million like you. You must be a genius and very good businessman or a great liar. I am pretty sure which one it is....
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i'm surely no fan of Candyflip but he's right when he says that the Blackmagic cameras blow everything out of the water you ever laid your hands on.


I not quite sure about that. The Panasonic gh5 and the full frame S1??. Look pretty equal. Have you shot with both, Stefan?
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I not quite sure about that. The Panasonic gh5 and the full frame S1??. Look pretty equal. Have you shot with both, Stefan?

I HAVE BOTH Gh5 and a Black magic. Candyflip is correct..you need to shoot w/ the new minimums ..The client can choose how they would like to receive the footage. and I've seen the Black magic up against a $50k Alexa...hardly a difference.
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I HAVE BOTH Gh5 and a Black magic. Candyflip is correct..you need to shoot w/ the new minimums ..The client can choose how they would like to receive the footage. and I've seen the Black magic up against a $50k Alexa...hardly a difference.
I have shot with the G4, G5, The Alexa Amira, The Red Dragon, though not the Black Magic. There is a huge difference on the big screen. Otherwise everyone would be shooting movies on 1300 dollar cameras and i phones.
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Bottom 2 films were box office BOMBS...so what's your point
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I have shot with the G4, G5, The Alexa Amira, The Red Dragon, though not the Black Magic. There is a huge difference on the big screen. Otherwise everyone would be shooting movies on 1300 dollar cameras and i phones.
Next time I decide to show a twerking ass on an IMAX screen, I'll bump up my camera equip.

And more films have been shot on iPhones and are showing on Netflix. Indie film makers are rocking..Like the director of Shazam and Light's Out...All his earlier stuff to get noticed was shot on the BMPCC 4k...All the DVD extras on Shazam He shot on his same BMPCC 4k

wtf is this thread about, I forgot
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i'm surely no fan of Candyflip but he's right when he says that the Blackmagic cameras blow everything out of the water you ever laid your hands on.

you seem to have enough time on your hands to troll here, maybe use it to educate yourself instead: https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products
I'm not disputing that the camera is an important part of filming anything. I'm saying other factors matter more than the camera. Not only are the other considerations more important they are also harder to master than spending $1500 on an amateur 4k camera. Maybe that's why CF thinks it's the most important.

Blackmagic looks good. But giving that to a bad cameraman, on a poor budget does not produce better quality than a good cameraman on good HD equipment. Especially for viewing on the Internet.
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You know what's even more important than the camera or the lighting or the model these days? Mone, marketing and contacts. You can have the best content in the world, but without a big budget, the right marketing and the right contacts you won't get any sales.
Why do all these comparisons include one side having no marketing?

Can you get better results with a poor product and a big budget for marketing V a great product with a fair budget for marketing?
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Can you get better results with a poor product and a big budget for marketing V a great product with a fair budget for marketing?
define marketing

there are many examples where poor products are sold through either a big marketing budget OR a good marketing idea and there are also examples where good products failed that had a big budget.

marketing is much much more than "selling" because sales are the results of a good marketing that starts already BEFORE a product is even produced.

maybe you should try to inform yourself what "marketing" really means before you use it as an argument in a discussion.
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Next time I decide to show a twerking ass on an IMAX screen, I'll bump up my camera equip.

And more films have been shot on iPhones and are showing on Netflix. Indie film makers are rocking..Like the director of Shazam and Light's Out...All his earlier stuff to get noticed was shot on the BMPCC 4k...All the DVD extras on Shazam He shot on his same BMPCC 4k

wtf is this thread about, I forgot
Its simple. S.I.S.O. and there will always be "indie" successes like the Blair Witch Project.
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Its simple. S.I.S.O. and there will always be "indie" successes like the Blair Witch Project.
good example

i think there was no movie I have ever seen that was less professional made than this one.
not sure if they could not do better or if they did not want to do better.
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A talented photographer can make an amazing image using an old Kodak camera from 1929. A hack can have the best equipment and produce shit.

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A talented photographer can make an amazing image using an old Kodak camera from 1929. A hack can have the best equipment and produce shit.

End of discussion?
That would be the end of the discussion...IF THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION...it is not, so the thread must continue off topic for another 5 pages.
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That would be the end of the discussion...IF THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION...it is not, so the thread must continue off topic for another 5 pages.
Here is where your business thread got hi jacked by someone who is no longer in the business:

"What you shoot with is secondary. It's all down to how and what you shoot. The positive thing about tubes is few buy porn blind, they will look for the free videos on tubes before buying or not buying. So it has to be good."....Paul Markham
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That would be the end of the discussion...IF THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION...it is not, so the thread must continue off topic for another 5 pages.
Haha sorry man - I got hooked by that Paul Markham troll mojo. My bad.
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I'm not disputing that the camera is an important part of filming anything. I'm saying other factors matter more than the camera. Not only are the other considerations more important they are also harder to master than spending $1500 on an amateur 4k camera. Maybe that's why CF thinks it's the most important.

Blackmagic looks good. But giving that to a bad cameraman, on a poor budget does not produce better quality than a good cameraman on good HD equipment. Especially for viewing on the Internet.
There is no good cameraman with HD equipment in 2019
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What has that got to do with this discussion?
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Here is where your business thread got hi jacked by someone who is no longer in the business:

"What you shoot with is secondary. It's all down to how and what you shoot. The positive thing about tubes is few buy porn blind, they will look for the free videos on tubes before buying or not buying. So it has to be good."....Paul Markham
So tell me specifically where my statement is wrong?

Can the Internet convey 4K movies without having them reduced down to a smaller size?

Can it make a bad camera man into a good one?

Are things like lenses, lighting, audio, camera less important than buying a 4K camera?

Are directing, model selection, location, etc less important than the camera?

Anyone who can't afford $1500 for a camera shouldn't be in the business, but it doesn't define a good product that will sell in 2019. If it did everyone here would be a lot richer.

What people should do when canvassing for work is show how good there work is so people can see there skills. If you don't have a site where that's possible buying a 4K camera won't solve the problems.
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But giving that to a bad cameraman, on a poor budget does not produce better quality than a good cameraman on good HD equipment. Especially for viewing on the Internet.
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Bottom 2 films were box office BOMBS...so what's your point
Sorry you have missed it My point was, if you know what you are doing you can achieve great visual results shooting with OLD media (film) and with old cameras and lenses. FYI: That the movie bombed has no influence on the matter. I was NOT talking content but a visual quality.
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So tell me specifically where my statement is wrong?

Can the Internet convey 4K movies without having them reduced down to a smaller size?

Can it make a bad camera man into a good one?

Are things like lenses, lighting, audio, camera less important than buying a 4K camera?

Are directing, model selection, location, etc less important than the camera?

Anyone who can't afford $1500 for a camera shouldn't be in the business, but it doesn't define a good product that will sell in 2019. If it did everyone here would be a lot richer.

What people should do when canvassing for work is show how good there work is so people can see there skills. If you don't have a site where that's possible buying a 4K camera won't solve the problems.
paul, are you aware that you really hijacking a thread that has NOTHING to do with your opinions?

the threat title is:

Any companies looking for 4k EXCLUSIVE SHOOTING

do you really believe that people that are working in internet are so dumb that they buy EXCLUSIVE content only for internet?

do you really believe that we all are like you and think internet will never move forward?

do you really believe that even a compressed low bandwith version from a 4k video will be better as to compress it from SD or HD ?

you have such a little clue about the day work from those who make the money at the end, that you should really stay out of such threads with your always yesterday opinions.

you have NEVER made money with users - you made money because there where always people that KNEW HOW TO MAKE money.
so you are really the last person that can be helpful.
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you have NEVER made money with users - you made money because there where always people that KNEW HOW TO MAKE money.
so you are really the last person that can be helpful.
Tilt....lets discuss something more exciting, new, fresh and different. Is content or traffic king. Paul?
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You think the camera is more important than the person using it. I disagree and know you're wrong.

You think buying a 4K camera is something only skilled cameramen are allowed to do. I disagree and know you're wrong.
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Sorry you have missed it My point was, if you know what you are doing you can achieve great visual results shooting with OLD media (film) and with old cameras and lenses. FYI: That the movie bombed has no influence on the matter. I was NOT talking content but a visual quality.
I've boldened and enlarged your mistake. A lot of posts here are from people with no clue about shooting anything and argue with people who've shot content most of their life. That a camera is more important than the person using it, some one even suggests only good cameramen can buy them.
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Content, content, content.

Today the biggest sites with the most traffic are the ones with the best content, some are even willing to pay for it. Take the content off tubes and they're no longer the biggest sites with the most traffic.

No one has ever spent a lot of time promoting shit, because the people with enough traffic want the best conversions. Those come from kick ass tours with great content on.

Getting traffic is easy, $5 a 1,000 or less. OK it's shit traffic, but you can only buy shit content for shit money. If you have great content surfers are willing to pays for you can afford to buy traffic. How do you think Google makes it's money. Take the content off Google, it dies.

Getting good content is the hardest thing to do and why so many people have to generate traffic for free.
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